David Paulides

More Strange Disappearances: Missing 411 | The Devil's in the Detail

June 5, 2014

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S y n o p s i s

During this interview we discussed David Paulides'  fourth book (Missing 411: The Devil's in the Detail), the latest in the blockbuster “Missing 411” series that describes unusual incidents of people that have disappeared in National Parks and forests of the world. It is a significant step forward in the understanding of the missing phenomena that adds several new elements never before identified. As in the book, the interview discusses additional victims, new locations and circumstances while outlining new geographical clusters. The number of people that fit the identified profile and the distances and elevations covered during their journeys will mesmerize you. It is highly recommended that you listen to our prior interview and/or read the other  “Missing 411” books prior to this so that you can have a background on the topic prior to listening to this new interview. The prior interview can be accessed here

David Paulides returns to discuss more strange disappearances in national parks. The new material spans six continents. As in the previous interview and books, the little pre-teens seem to be the largest targets of some entity that concentrates on kidnapping and leaving the victims often, dead or alive, and missing articles of clothing or shoes without any indication of molestation. Usually the victim has no idea what happened, is dazed, or can’t tell. David mentions that the last-in-line of hiking groups often disappears, and comments on the number of missing people found at the base of steep cliffs, found near water or swamps, in brier patches (victims often found with horrible scratches), have traveled many miles, or have unknowingly traveled uphill.

Often their pets disappear with them and come back confused or never do return. Search dogs cannot find their scent of the missing and bloodhounds and cadaver dogs appear baffled. And in so many cases, an area previously searched multiple times eventually turns up a victim that’s in plain sight. In many occasions the victims are found without their shoes or their shoes are found in the area the subjects were lastly seen. As of right now the total list is of cases investigated is 1,240. Looking at the “Devil’s Detail,” an introductory page has a long listing of place names with Devil in them. David covers interesting facts that boggle the mind: Like little 7 year old Jack who in two days managed to get 50 miles from where he was lost. And he was found in good condition! How can that be? Another 11 were found 20 or more miles from where they had disappeared. Not all of them were as lucky as Jack.

Many other interesting listings are tabulated: Weather conditions turn inclement when lost; occasions when the first or last in a line of hikers vanishes; there are those that turn up missing from in the home (in one case a house alarm failed to ring); or from a locked car with no inside door handles, or the puzzler of the disabled disappearances; and the “climbers”-those that when lost go uphill, often being found on top of a barren peak (20 in four books climbed 1,000 feet or more). Impossible cases are cited, like 2 year old Ryan, sleeping with his sister Shawna next to the wall. On awakening he was gone, only to be later found dead under a dock at a nearby lake.

And then there was the mystery of Megumi. Hiking on a well- used trail in New Mexico, when lost she simply dialed 911 on her cell phone (need to triangulate). She was forwarded to the non-emergency dispatcher…not once but seven times! It had never happened before or since! Finally routed correctly search teams found Megumi. It started to snow! A helicopter is called in for evacuation of the cold and weak graduate student in physics nanotechnology and optics. The tail rotor of the helicopter hit a tree! In a debris field 800 feet down the 12,000 foot mountain the bodies of the pilot and Megumi were found. It appears that at times the well-educated are targeted!

What’s happening to all these people? David wisely doesn’t speculate. It’s just too crazy. In one case you think a Bigfoot has kidnapped them. Then in the next a UFO has abducted them, or they vanish into a dimensional hole or orb, or the culprit is an entity that reaches through from a black hole that grabs them and transports them for miles, dragging them unmercifully through briers. I can only scratch my head and ponder. Don’t know how much just plain old bad luck is involved either. One can only offer a silent prayer for all the unfortunate missing people, past and present, especially the children…the poor little babies, etc. And those left behind to suffer: spouses, siblings, mothers, grandparents, friends…all of those and more. More cases are discussed during the interview but the book goes beyond the boundaries covered by their predecessors.


B i o

From David Paulides:

I think the most important job we have as adults is raising our children. Having a close family bond and helping your kids attain their goals is one of the most rewarding aspects of being a parent. I have been very fortunate in this aspect of my life. I have two kids, a son that is playing D-1 hockey and a daughter that is rowing at the D-1 level. I have been a coach for many years and this has brought more happiness then any other part of my life. Presently, I am a scout in the North American Hockey League.

My education was obtained at the University of San Francisco where I received my graduate and under graduate degrees. I had always wanted to work in law enforcement and be a police officer, in 1977 I joined a small municipality in the San Francisco Bay Area, in 1980 I transferred to San Jose police where I finished out my twenty years. I was lucky to have worked many premier assignments including street crimes (street decoy work), SWAT, Vice and a variety of assignments in the detective division.

Prior to leaving SJPD I received a job offer in technology making much more money. While working a variety of tech positions, I was tagged as an executive that could flush out businesses, go deep into their background and conduct due diligence in partnership development and acquisitions. In essence, I was using my investigative skills at an entirely different position in life.

I eventually retired and left technology and was approached with an unusual offer, prove the existence of bigfoot. I was given funding to either prove bigfoot was a hoax or prove it was a living biped. After several years of developing a cohesive team, interviewing hundreds of witnesses (Taking witness statements via affidavits), writing two books and obtaining many DNA samples, we launched the largest bigfoot/sasquatch DNA study that has ever been under taken (www.nabigfootsearch.com). Over one hundred samples were tested and Dr. Ketchum’s DNA study was completed. My position on the study, eight PhD’s put their credentials in the public spotlight and assisted in writing the white paper. Thirteen different laboratories tested the samples. Dr. Ketchum did not do the testing; outside labs did the testing and validated the results. In talking to hundreds of people about this project, I am convinced that 99% of the individuals that have issues with the paper have not read it, or don’t understand it. Since the paper was released, many other PhD’s have jumped to Dr. Ketchum’s side and supported her work. Please do not listen to rumors or blogs, read the paper your self, and come to your own conclusions without the influence of others. Please read the paper before asking questions as this is a very complex arena that would take me many thousands of words to explain. You can purchase the paper here: www.advancedsciencefoundation.org...#!special-issue/crrc

Four years ago I was in a national park conducting other research and was staying at a room off the park. On one of those nights I had a knock at the door and two off duty national park rangers stated they had information that they wanted me to hear. They explained that they had worked at several parks during their career and had participated in many search and rescues of lost visitors. They explained that they believed there was an inordinate amount of missing people and the park service was not conducting follow-up investigations, wasn’t tracking missing people and didn’t appear to understand the issues behind the disappearances. This event started the project I am working on today, www.canammissing.com. I have written three books (Missing 411) about the research our group has conducted and have filed dozens of freedom of information act (FOIA) requests against the National park Service and other institutions. The most famous FOIA we filed, asking the NPS for statistics and documentation of missing people inside their system. We first asked for data on Yosemite National Park. We were told that they didn’t keep track of missing people, didn’t have a list of names, dates or any numbers regarding how many are still missing. We read this statement in stunned silence. The NPS followed that with essentially the same statement about their entire system, 183 locations. As a published author, I wrote back to NPS explaining who my publisher was, the books I authored and claimed an authors exemption to fees, asking them to collect the data and forward to us. The response, my books were not in enough libraries to qualify for the exemption, something nobody can find as a requirement in any FOIA documentation. The NPS then stated that if I did want a list of missing people from Yosemite, that would cost $34,000, if we wanted the list from their entire system, that would be $1,400,000. Unbelievable!!

We are still hard at work on missing people, specifically people who have vanished in a rural setting. The research has identified 34 clusters of missing people in North America, including Canada. We established list of criteria that cases must meet if they are to be in the study, it’s too extensive to write about here. We are constantly obtaining new cases. I am always asked, “What is causing this,” we don’t know and have never made any innuendo about what may be occurring. We won’t make any statements about what is happening to the missing until we are certain that specific, consistent elements exist that point to a cause, we aren’t there yet. Regarding contacting victims that are found alive, we were advised early in our development by other missing person groups that this would be an inappropriate practice. Some people may talk, later see their story in print and feel that they were victimized a second time. We are VERY sensitive to the victims and their families and would never want to do anything to cause them further anxiety. If they initiate the conduct, we would gladly speak with them.

In the summer of 2012 I was asked to be a speaker of the NASAR (National Association for Search and Rescue) conference in South Lake Tahoe, one of the largest search and rescue conferences in the world. Our findings were presented to a packed room. Dozens of professionals approached me after the presentation and stated that what I had presented was known by the majority of the senior SAR personnel but that most don’t wish to discuss it. They stated that it is staggering the number of people that simply vanish in the wilds of North America. This is where my investigative heart and sole is today.

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